One of my favorite people whom I started to be friends with while I was a Seminary student sent my wife and several other people this long message concerning the upcoming election- he also posted this message on his blog here.
I have not been one to forward many of the political emails that are currently circling the net regarding either candidate for President. First, I have family and friends who I know are at both ends of the spectrum in regard to their political affiliation. Second, while I may disagree with them on issues and principles, I did not feel it was my place to coerce or argue over their free will to vote as their own conscience dictates. Although this email may be considered a departure from that view, I offer it not as an argument about how you should vote, but rather as a realization about what you are truly voting for. I’ve heard every kind of emotional and downright racist reasons for voting for and against both of the candidates but these have not played into my decision for who I will support.
While I appreciate that my friend does not usually forward political opinions, he did in this case. And since my friend (we’ll call him Jim) forwarded this message to a very many people and posted it on his blog, I feel perfectly just in addressing in this public way.
As a bit of a spoiler I am going to mention now that this careful, emotional message is about a single issue: Abortion. Jim makes a few claims near the bottom of his op-ed to buttress his “non support” of the Republican candidate for the upcoming election, therefore, I want to briefly address the question of abortion in general before moving on to the remainder of Jim’s comments.
The Abortion debate in our country is a complex legal and moral disagreement about not only when life begins in a woman’s womb, but what rights the woman has with regard to her body and reproduction. Most of the political framing in the debate from both the “pro-life” side and the “pro-choice” side are simply meaningless rhetoric used in order to draw a stark distinction between the two camps, which in reality does not exist.
On occasion I have asked the occasional “pro-life” person to describe to me, using biological science, when an embryo, fetus, etc. becomes a human being, since we mostly all agree that an unfertilized “egg” is not a human being. I have never gotten the same answer twice and I think the reason for this is that the answer is complicated and even very knowledgeable scientists are not exactly sure. This uncertainty has been delt with by scholars in the literature regarding the abortion debate and many people have found a compelling reason on this point to argue that because of uncertainty one should err on the side of “life,” or as Ronald Reagon noted “if you don’t know whether a body is alive or dead, you would never bury it.” (“Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation, 1983.)
On the other hand, what we know through biological science is that the body naturally aborts “fetuses” regularly, we sometimes experience this natural occurrence as a miscarriage; I say we sometimes experience this as a miscarriage because sometimes a woman never knows she was pregnant in the first place. At any rate, a miscarriage happens generally before 20 weeks of gestation and full term, natural and normal (just as God intended) pregnancy goes for 38 weeks. Therefore, by my calculations the body’s natural function allows for an “abortion” up to about half way through the natural pregnancy cycle.
As I listened to the second presidential debate last night, I was overcome with a sense of foreboding about what lies ahead for our country regardless of which candidate is elected. Specifically, when all the rhetoric and political posturing is done, both the Republicans and Democrats have played significant roles in the current financial crisis and neither side has any comprehensive or decisive plan to solve this mess. In essence their own ideologies and self serving desire to stay in power will always prevent either party from taking the difficult steps necessary to heal our economy and bring our stock market back from the edge. Most notably both candidates have within their inner circles individuals who played pivotal roles in the current financial meltdown and continue to have an influence on their policies and plans. So in the end, although the economy is foremost in most peoples minds, the differences between the candidates and how they will address the problem are very similar and will likely not result in the quick and decisive turn around that we all desire. Instead the difference in the candidates will come down to the social issues that each of us consider and believe in one fashion or another.
I disagree. Barack Obama is from a very different political organization which find it’s roots in the work of Saul Alinky, who was a social radical but is considered to be the founder of modern community organizing in America. Obama is quite moderate compared to the people he learned from in, but in fundamental ways he is different from the status quo’ on Capital Hill in the way he thinks and acts because of the way he came into politics. For further reference: http://www.industrialareasfoundation.org/ .
I found McCain’s scoffing at the work of community organizers during the Republican campaign to be both offensive and sad. Offensive because of the thousands upon thousands of people, living in abject poverty that have been helped through community organizing all across our country. But also sad because I know that the majority of the “Republican base” are simple, working class people who will go to the polls and vote against their own best interests because of… well, perhaps a single issue, like abortion.
Although it was not a topic in the debate, the true difference in the candidates is only truly measured by their stances on issues such as abortion. Without rehashing or rearguing the reasons for or against, I will make this one statement: 98% of the public arguments are over the issues of whether it should be allowed in the cases of rape, incest and the health of the mother, but less than 4% of the actual abortions occurring apply to these conditions. Therefore, the remaining 96% are for convenience and simply a CHOICE based on simple selfish reasons by the mother and father. Regardless of whether you consider this right or wrong, the only true difference between the candidates is on this issue. Whoever you support be aware that they have this stand on this issue and your support of that candidate will enable their action on this issue.
I expect that when a claim of this magnitude is made that it will be backed up with documentation. I do not agree that 98% or public arguments are rape and incest arguments, except perhaps in the popular media. In fact, I have made a silent argument on the basis of uncertainty in this very article.
I too am fearful about the future economy and the impact it will have on my family but when faced with the moral issues I am forced to make the decision… will I support righteousness? Or will I follow my own fears and cares over my family’s welfare. This is one of those issues that I have to step back and come to the decision “As for me and my house…”
Upon what basis does my good friend Jim make this a dichotomy between being ”righteous” or being in favor of a hotly debated medical procedure? I have a Seminary degree and cannot recall even one bible passage the specifically addresses the issue of abortion. I can, however, point out a couple of passages in the Bible that can be applied to the question of abortion, so let’s look at those, briefly:
Psalm 51:5, “Behold, I was shapenininiquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
Psalm 139:13-16: “For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.”
Jeremiah 1:5 :“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”
Good pro-life verses, correct? Well, if so then God has a bit of a problem. As I mentioned before, females routinely spontaneously abort “infants” in the womb up to about half way through a normal gestation cycle. So what is “perfectly created” at the time of conception doesn’t always come out right, is aborted by the creator, etc… this is sorta theologically confusing if you follow it long enough…
…but I know, I know, it’s God who is “the giver and taker of life” and all that… God always gets a pass in the end, somehow.
<sigh>
At the end of the day, I am just glad that I am not the one having to defend such a scurrilous use of the bible to defend one’s opposition to a medical procedure that would be beyond the imagination of a Bronze Age people.
McCain is pro-life and consistently votes pro-life.
Meaningless political framing of the issue in my opinion.
Barack Obamawasone of a small number of Illinois legislative members who opposed the bill that is listed below.
The bill in essence created a law that when a child who was trying to be aborted was born alivethat the child would be entitled by law to receivenecessarymedical care. The alternative embraced and supported by Obamawasthat the child would be left to die even though it was born alive and by even scientific terms was no longer a “fetus.”
Unlike many other arguments or emails, I’m not just giving you my opinion, I’ve listed below the body of the bill that Obama opposed.
This sounds pretty awful to me, I suppose Jim has evidence that to support his assertion that Barack Obama lets living failed abortions die on the procedure table? Or perhaps is there more to the story…? Probably, but I am not going to dig up the real story.
Regardless of your beliefs on the matter, this is where Obama stands on this issue and if you support him, then you are adopting and supporting his position.
Your decision is yours alone.. But now you have to make this decision with your eyes open…
No, I can support a candidate for office and not agree with every position he or she takes. That is the beauty of our system, I am not obliged to accept the dichotomies of the Right because its a free country– (at least until Obama takes office, harhar… )
All the best.